Legislature(2023 - 2024)GRUENBERG 120

03/19/2024 03:00 PM House STATE AFFAIRS

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*+ HB 306 AI, DEEPFAKES, CYBERSECURITY, DATA XFERS TELECONFERENCED
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*+ HB 225 POSTING OF UNOFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS TELECONFERENCED
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         HB 225-POSTING OF UNOFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:18:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHAW  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO. 225,  "An  Act  relating  to the  tabulation  of                                                               
ballots;  and  requiring the  division  of  elections to  provide                                                               
unofficial  election results  before the  results of  an election                                                               
are certified."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:18:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:18 p.m. to 3:21 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:21:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDREW  GRAY, Alaska State  Legislature, presented                                                               
HB 225,  as prime  sponsor.  He  paraphrased a  sponsor statement                                                               
[included  in  the  committee  packet],  which  read  as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     In  2020, Alaskan  voters  approved  Ballot Measure  2,                                                                    
     which  implemented  ranked   choice  voting  (RCV)  for                                                                    
     general  elections.  This  system of  elections  allows                                                                    
     voters  to  rank  candidates in  order  of  preference,                                                                    
     eliminating the  candidate with the lowest  vote totals                                                                    
     and   reallocating  their   second-choice  votes,   and                                                                    
     repeating  this process  until one  candidate has  over                                                                    
     50% of the vote.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     However, in  the 2022 election, voters  did not receive                                                                    
     the  final results  until 15  days after  the election,                                                                    
     causing some  confusion. As with any  electoral system,                                                                    
     transparency and timely results  must be prioritized to                                                                    
     the voters.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     HB  225   addresses  this  concern  by   requiring  the                                                                    
     Division  of  Elections  to release  the  ranking  data                                                                    
     necessary to  conduct RCV tabulations on  the day after                                                                    
     the  general  election,  and   also  when  it  releases                                                                    
     unofficial  election results.  Knowing the  vote totals                                                                    
     along  with   ranking  data   will  allow   voters  and                                                                    
     candidates  to have  a more  up-to-date picture  of the                                                                    
     standings before the final tabulation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     HB  225  is  a  simple bill  that  will  help  increase                                                                    
     transparency  around our  electoral process,  so I  ask                                                                    
     for your support.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY  stated  that  his office  worked  with  the                                                               
Division of  Elections to  create HB 225,  which [carries  a zero                                                               
fiscal note].                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:24:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  SONG,  Staff,  Representative Andrew  Gray,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, provided  a PowerPoint presentation, titled  "HB 225                                                               
Posting Unofficial Elections Results"  [hard copy included in the                                                               
committee  packet].   He  began on  slide  2, titled  "Background                                                               
Information,"  which   read  as  follows   [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     BACKGROUND INFORMATION                                                                                                     
     •  Ballot Measure  2 in  2020 instituted  Ranked Choice                                                                    
     Voting (RCV).                                                                                                              
     • RCV allows  voters to rank their  candidates in order                                                                    
     of preference.                                                                                                             
          • If  no candidate  receives 50%  + of  the first-                                                                    
     choice vote,  the candidate with the  lowest vote total                                                                    
     is eliminated and second-choice votes are reallocated.                                                                     
          •  Process is  repeated  until  one candidate  has                                                                    
     over 50% of the vote.                                                                                                      
     • RCV takes more time than single-choice voting.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SONG moved to slide 3, titled "2022 Alaska Elections," which                                                                
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Division  of Elections took  15 days to  release full                                                                    
     tabulation results for the 2022 general election.                                                                          
     •  Division  of  Elections'  policy  of  not  releasing                                                                    
     ranking data in a timely manner created confusion                                                                          
     • Example:  Initial results  for 2022  Senate elections                                                                    
     had:                                                                                                                       
          • Kelly Tshibaka in the lead on 11/9.                                                                                 
          • Lisa Murkowski won after tabulation on 11/23                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:26:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SONG moved to slide 4, titled "Results Don't Have To Be                                                                     
Slow," which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     • Delay in results undermines trust in elections.                                                                          
     •  Digital  scanning  of  ballots  allows  for  instant                                                                    
     release of results.                                                                                                        
     •  Ranked  Choice  Voting  Resource  Center  recommends                                                                    
     several actions including:                                                                                                 
          •  Round by  round  tabulation  tally on  election                                                                    
     night.                                                                                                                     
          •  Publishing the  entire  ballot  record so  that                                                                    
     anyone can verify the results.                                                                                             
          • Clear communication  of expectations, timelines,                                                                    
     and results.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. SONG moved to slide 5, titled "What Does HB 225 Do?," which                                                                 
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Incorporates some of these  best practices for Alaska                                                                    
     elections.                                                                                                                 
     •  Releases  the unofficial  results  with  ALL of  the                                                                    
     ballot  data  the  day after  election  day,  not  just                                                                    
     first-choice votes.                                                                                                        
          • No more 15-day delays for results.                                                                                  
          • Ongoing  release of unofficial  election results                                                                    
     will include ALL ballot data.                                                                                              
     • Allows  for elections observers to  conduct their own                                                                    
     tabulations  in order  to see  how second,  third, etc.                                                                    
     votes will be allocated.                                                                                                   
          • No blindsiding                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:27:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SONG  moved to slide  6, titled "What  Does HB 225  NOT Do?,"                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     •  Data  will  not   include  hand-count  precincts  in                                                                    
     preliminary release of results.                                                                                            
     •  Does  not   affect  municipal  election  procedures.                                                                    
     Municipalities  that have  adopted handcount  elections                                                                    
     will not be affected.                                                                                                      
     •  Does  not  require  the  Division  of  Elections  to                                                                    
     conduct a round-by-round  tabulation, adding additional                                                                    
     staffing.                                                                                                                  
          •  Just releases  the  ballot  data so  observers,                                                                    
     media, etc. can conduct their own tabulations.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SONG  moved to  slide 7,  titled "Concluding  Remarks," which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
       If RCV is overturned, HB 225 no longer applies.                                                                          
     • HB  225 brings transparency and  efficiency to Alaska                                                                    
     elections    we will be  like the rest of  the country:                                                                    
     we will know  who is really in the lead  in our closest                                                                    
     races the day after the elections.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:28:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM  ADLER,   Associate  Director,  The   Elections  Project,                                                               
Bipartisan Policy  Center, explained  that the  Bipartisan Policy                                                               
Center's Elections  Project advocates for pragmatic  solutions to                                                               
improve American  elections, does not  take a formal  position on                                                               
rank-choice  voting  but  does  support  best-practices  for  any                                                               
voting method.  He applauded the  goal of HB 225 to ensure voters                                                               
are aware of who is leading  in a rank-choice election as results                                                               
are  reported.   He stated  that this  is a  manageable task  for                                                               
Alaska's election workers and  would increase public transparency                                                               
of elections.   Under the current  model, it takes more  than two                                                               
weeks for  voters to get  a clear  picture of which  candidate is                                                               
leading.   Expediting more comprehensive results  aligns with the                                                               
best practices for rank-choice voting.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. ADLER noted several close  elections in 2022.  Best practices                                                               
for  rank-choice voting  involve releasing  preliminary round-by-                                                               
round tallies  on election night  and updating the votes  as more                                                               
are counted.   This would make the election  more transparent and                                                               
provide voters  with an  earlier and  more meaningful  picture of                                                               
election results.   He said HB 225  mitigates some administrative                                                               
concerns associated  with delayed unofficial tabulation.   Alaska                                                               
has  a  history  of  competitive  elections.    Delayed  election                                                               
results can result in inadequate  time for the transfer of power.                                                               
He exemplified  the heightened difficulties for  the governorship                                                               
because  the governor's  term begins  just four  weeks after  the                                                               
election.  The proposed legislation would mitigate that concern.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:32:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ADLER  mentioned some minor  revisions that could be  made to                                                               
the bill to  eliminate some ambiguities and ensure  that the data                                                               
released  by  the  division  is  usable  by  the  public  without                                                               
proprietary  software.    In  addition   to  releasing  the  data                                                               
necessary for  observers to conduct the  tabulation, the division                                                               
could  conduct  the  tabulation  and  release  it  as  unofficial                                                               
results.     He   emphasized  that   voters  need   transparency,                                                               
candidates  need time  to transition  into  office, and  election                                                               
administrators need clear guidelines from the legislature.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:33:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LOREN LEMAN,  Former Lieutenant Governor,  mentioned that  he has                                                               
been an  Alaska voter for 51  years.  He  told a story of  a tied                                                               
result in  a legislative race.   He mentioned his  involvement in                                                               
the  citizen-lead initiative  to repeal  rank-choice voting.   He                                                               
discussed three  criticisms of rank-choice  voting and  said that                                                               
the process is  confusing, it takes too long to  get results, and                                                               
can  produce   results  that  are  different   from  a  "regular"                                                               
election.   He mentioned  that HB  225 would  address one  of his                                                               
criticisms of  rank-choice voting by creating  faster preliminary                                                               
results.  He  mentioned that he spoke with  Division of Elections                                                               
director,  Carol  Beecher  and  affirmed that  the  division  can                                                               
support the intention of the bill;  however, she warned that in a                                                               
close election,  the results  could swing  from one  candidate to                                                               
the other.   He  advised that  to make  changes to  improve voter                                                               
participation, the  bill could be  amended to repeal  rank choice                                                               
voting.  Passing  HB 225 as is could make  a small improvement to                                                               
elections regarding reporting.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:37:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY  asked  if  the Division  of  Elections  is                                                               
available to discuss  the bill.  She  requested information about                                                               
current statute that  limits the release of results  for over two                                                               
weeks.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:39:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAROL BEECHER,  Director, Central Office, Division  of Elections,                                                               
Office of  the Lieutenant Governor,  based on  her interpretation                                                               
of current  statute, noted  a regulation  that the  ranking would                                                               
occur after  the fifteenth day.   The division must wait  for all                                                               
the ballots  to be  submitted.   She noted  that for  the general                                                               
election, ballots can  come in up to the fifteenth  day after the                                                               
election if  they are  postmarked on  election day.   Rank-choice                                                               
voting requires that  if no candidate receives 50  percent of the                                                               
vote, then  the ranking process  begins.  She clarified  that the                                                               
division must wait until all  the votes are in before determining                                                               
which races need to be ranked.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY asked  if the timeline in HB  225 would work                                                               
from the perspective of the Division of Elections.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BEECHER affirmed that the  division could provide the data to                                                               
run the results.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY  asked  if   there  are  any  downsides  to                                                               
releasing results as they become available.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BEECHER  stated her  belief that voter  confusion is  still a                                                               
possibility.   She said that  results can go  up and down  as the                                                               
results  are submitted,  which may  be confusing  for people  who                                                               
lack understanding of how rank-choice votes are calculated.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHAW  announced that amendments  would be due by  March 26,                                                               
2024, and HB 225 was held over.                                                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 306 Article - AI lobbying spikes 185 percent as calls for regulation surge.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 306
HB 306 Article - Alaska political experts give warnings about AI but also cite benefits to campaigns.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 306
HB 306 Article - Absence of AI hosptial rules worries nurses.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 306
HB 306 Article - How AI is quietly changing everyday life.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 306
HB 306 Article - Murkowski, Klobuchar Introduce Bipartisan Legislation to Require Transparency in Political Ads with AI-Generated Content.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 306
HB 306 Article - Tech companies sign accord to combat AI-generated election trickery.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 306
HB 306 Article FCC Makes AI-Generated Voices in Robocalls Illegal.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 306
HB 306 Sectional Analysis ver A .pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 306
HB 306 Sponsor Statement ver A .pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 306
HB 306 ver A.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 306
HB 225 sectional analysis.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 225
HB 225 Letters of support.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 225
HB 225 DoE website.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 225
HB 225 Sponsor statement.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 225
HB 225 Supporting Doc - CDT.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 225
HB 225 Supporting Doc- Best Practices.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 225
HB0225A.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 225
HB 225 Slide Presentation.pdf HSTA 3/19/2024 3:00:00 PM
HB 225